I’ve been through the epic struggle for my second working holiday visa in Australia. so I know how you feel. The days were long, the work was monotonous, and the pay wasn’t all that great. But it was worth it, to get the chance to stay in this beautiful country another year.
Thousands of backpackers go through the second year visa process every year. But a lot of people are mixed up about exactly what you have to do, where you have to do it, and how to get the whole thing sorted out.
Seeing as there’s not much to do in the evenings in the small, country town I called home during my farmwork, I whiled away the hours writing up a detailed post on exactly how to go about getting your second year visa.
Yep, I really know how to have fun.
This guide will cover:
Who can get a second year visa for Australia
What counts as regional work
Where you can complete your regional (or farm) work
The system of approval (including how to calculate your 88 days)
How to find regional work
Before I start, I should clarify that there are other ways of getting extra time in Australia, which I won’t cover in this post. You can come back on a tourist visa, or enrol in some kind of course and get a student visa, or you can get a de facto visa if you have a partner who is a resident.
I know next to nothing about any of these, so if you’re looking for that info then you’re in the wrong place!
Now without further ado, let’s talk visas!
Confused about the processes involved in finding work in Oz? Read my guide to working in Australia which will answer all your questions!
Who can get a second year visa?
The second working holiday is available for people who are on the Working Holiday (417) and, as of November 2016, the Work and Holiday (462) visa. There are slightly different criteria for the type of work that can qualify towards the second year for these two visas.
As with the first working holiday, you must be between the ages of 18 and 31 in order to qualify (though this may change in the near future). Currently, if you apply before your 31st birthday, you can still get a second year.
In order to qualify for a second year visa, you must complete three calendar months, or 88 days, of ‘specified’ work in ‘regional’ Australia. That’s the wording used on the Australian government website.
Below I will explain what this extremely vague phrase means, in the case of each of these visas.
Check out my earlier post on Working Holidays to clarify which visa you are on, if you don’t already know
What counts as ‘specified’ work?
So first, what exactly does ‘specified’ work mean? Well, this varies slightly depending on which visa you are on. Australian farm work is the most popular method of getting the second year visa, but there are other options too.
For subclass 417 visas, you can do any of the following:
- Plant and animal cultivation
- Fishing and pearling
- Tree farming and felling
Whereas if you’re on the 462 visa, you can do any of the following:
- Plant and animal cultivation
- Fishing and Pearling
- Tree farming and felling
- Tourism and hospitality
These are the only accepted forms of work which will qualify you to get a second year visa. So you can do it without farm work, BUT you still have to follow the above rules.
If you’re on a 417 visa, bar work in a rural pub does not count.
If you’re on the 462 visa, working as an au pair on a property with a farm does not qualify.
(There are plenty more examples like this, but you get the idea. Only work on the list counts.)
However, clearly it is difficult (if not impossible) to prove what work you have or have not been doing. If you payslip comes from a chicken farm, it will look like you have been working in ‘animal cultivation’. If your payslip comes from a fishing company, it will look like you have been working in the fishing industry.
Basically, it would be very difficult for the department of immigration to prove that you have not been doing what you are supposed to, if the area code fits. If your pay slip comes from somewhere with the Australian business number (ABN) of a farm, unless it specifically states that you have been looking after kids rather than, say, cattle, it is unlikely that they will query it. That’s all I’m saying.
This is not to say that I recommend trying to get around it. You always run the risk that the government will request further proof of your work, or somehow find you out. And working for three months in the middle of nowhere, only to find that you aren’t allowed another year, would kinda suck.
Where you can complete your regional work
Okay, so ‘regional’ in this context has a pretty broad definition. What it actually means is, work in an area which has been arbitrarily selected by the Australian government to be considered regional.
In this context, Adelaide is considered regional. Darwin is regional. The entirety of Tasmania is regional. Whatever.
Again, there is a difference between qualifying areas for 417 and 462 visas. Basically, the 462 visa counts anything above the Tropic of Capricorn (the northern half of the country), whereas the 417 visa has a bit more to choose from.
The acceptable postcodes for the 417 visa are:
4124 to 4125, 4133, 4211, 4270 to 4272, 4275, 4280, 4285, 4287, 4307 to 4499, 4510, 4512, 4515 to 4519, 4522 to 4899
(This excludes the Brisbane area and the Gold Coast)
New South Wales
2311 to 2312, 2328 to 2411, 2420 to 2490, 2536 to 2551, 2575 to 2594, 2618 to 2739, 2787 to 2899
(This excludes Sydney, Newcastle, Wollongong and the Central Coast)
3139, 3211 to 3334, 3340 to 3424, 3430 to 3649, 3658 to 3749, 3753, 3756, 3758, 3762, 3764, 3778 to 3781, 3783, 3797, 3799, 3810 to 3909, 3921 to 3925,3945 to 3974, 3979, 3981 to 3996
(This excludes the Melbourne area)
All of Tasmania is considered regional Australia.
All of South Australia is considered regional Australia
6041 to 6044, 6055 to 6056, 6069, 6076, 6083 to 6084, 6111, 6121 to 6126, 6200 to 6799
(This excludes Perth and surrounding areas)
All of the Northern Territory is considered regional Australia.
Note: None of Australian Capital Territory (ACT) is eligible for second year visa work.
The accepted postcodes for the 462 visa are:
4699 to 4707, 4709 to 4712, 4717, 4720 to 4721, 4723 to 4728, 4730, 4732 to 4733, 4735, 4737 to 4746, 4750 to 4751, 4753 to 4754, 4756 to 4757, 4798 to 4800, 4801 to 4812, 4814 to 4825, 4828 to 4830, 4849 to 4850, 4852, 4854 to 4856, 4858 to 4861, 4865, 4868 to 4888, 4890 to 4892, 4895
All of the Northern Territory is considered regional Australia
0872, 6537, 6642, 6646, 6701, 6705, 6707, 6710 to 6714, 6716, 6718, 6720 to 6722, 6725 to 6726, 6728, 6740, 6743, 6751, 6753 to 6754, 6758, 6760, 6762, 6765, 6770
Note: only postcodes/areas above the Tropic of Capricorn, i.e. in the northern half of Australia, are eligible for second year visa work for the 462 visa.
How to find the elusive farm work for your second year visa
The magic of the internet means that there are soooooooooooooooooo many ways to go about finding your regional work. The list I provide here probably isn’t exhaustive, but if you don’t find something using one of these methods and/or websites, then you’re doing something wrong!
It’s worth saying up front that it is BEYOND useful to have a car in this whole process. Not only does it mean you’re more flexible in getting to potentially remote locations, and moving to where the work is, it’s also often a specified criterion of some job adverts. Plus, once you’ve found farm work, a car is SO useful in SO many ways – for entertainment on days off, a way of getting to the shops if you live in the middle of nowhere, and a potential source of income if you are giving people lifts to work.
Australia is the first place I have found where Facebook has been a hugely useful tool. There are absolutely loads of groups and pages out there, brimming with advice. For regional work, a few good places to start are:
There are more, but a quick search will lead you to them straight away.
Be aware that loads of people will probably be posting about the same thing, so try searching through a few of the old posts to see what people have said.
Gumtree is a fantastic resource for many things, and job seeking is one of them. You can either advertise your own services, or browse through adverts relevant to the area you are looking to work in. Many employers don’t bother putting opportunities up anywhere else, especially if they are only looking for one or two workers.
It goes without saying, of course, that you should always be careful when using this method. Use your instincts, withhold personal information, and if it sounds dodgy it probably is!
The clue for this website is in the name. This site doesn’t exclusively advertise regional work opportunities, but there are usually quite a lot to be found. Often the advertisers will specify whether the work qualifies for the second year visa.
Job websites (Seek, Indeed, TheJobShop)
As with any other job, you can find regional work on any of the above job websites (and probably any more you’d care to name). Largely the jobs advertised on Seek and Indeed will require some kind of experience, though, so bear that in mind if you don’t have any!
If you’ve exhausted all the online options, another route to go down is finding farm work through a working hostel. There are plenty of these out there. Just Google the state you are looking to find work in + working hostel: easy peasy. The advantage here is that the work is done for you (so to speak). Working hostels will usually have a good relationship with local farms and other employers, so if you time it right there will be plenty of opportunity. Plus, they are usually full of other backpackers in a similar position, so they are an easy place to make new pals.
I would strongly advise phoning or emailing ahead before you rock up, though. Obviously there is no point travelling all the way there if there isn’t any work!
Local Tourist Information
Finally, it’s always worth asking in at the trusty Tourist Information office of whatever town you are in. They might have information that isn’t readily available online, and again may have contacts that you can make use of. You can also ask about working hostels here – not all of them advertise online.
Plus, the people that work in Tourist Information offices are usually lovely and eager to help!
The system of approval – and minimum wage
Once you’ve found the right kind of job in the right kind of place, you need to make sure that you get the right number of days for your second year to be approved.
This is the tricky bit.
There are two ways that you can get the required number of days for your second visa. Either:
- Work full-time, continuously for a period of three calendar months
- Work non-continuously, for a cumulative total of 88 individual days
(Fun fact: the reason it’s 88 days is because that is the combined length of the shortest three-month period.)
Option a) is obviously a bit simpler. It’s easier to keep track if you are working for one employer, of course. And there is another perk: if you work full time, you are able to include days off in your total days.
Full time is roughly 35-40 hours a week, depending on what industry you are in. If, for example, you work five days a week for eight hours a day, that fills the full time criteria, and you can then include your weekends when counting up your days. So, your ‘88 days’ could theoretically be completed in just over 12 and a half weeks, with you only actually working roughly 64 days.
This rule follows whatever the usual pattern of work is for the industry you are in. For example, if you work in the fishing or pearling industry, and spend multiple days at a time at sea, followed by multiple days at a time at home, these days off would also count. This rule works as long as the employer is satisfied that for that period of work, you have worked the equivalent of full time hours for that industry.
This is the relevant section of the immigration website:
Option b) is where most backpackers end up, for one reason or another, and this is where things get a bit complicated. I will do my best to state the rules in simple terms.
Farm work, by its nature, is very season-dependent, and often somewhat unreliable. If the weather is bad, you might get some unexpected days off. Sometimes the season starts unusually late or finishes unusually early. Depending on your timing, you might start work at the end of the season, and have to move to another farm or another job, or the work might dry up for another reason.
Unfortunately, the Australian government aren’t very accommodating to this. So, if you are off work due to sickness or bad weather, you cannot count these days towards your total.
This, people, is why they say you should start your regional work sooner rather than later. 88 days may not be all that much, but it is actually a hell of a long time when you are only able to work in certain conditions.
However, the good news is that if you are working full time, even if it is for less than three months, you are still able to count weekends towards your days, as outlined in the screenshot above. For any given block of work, that rule should still apply. Say you work eight weeks full time for one employer, and five further weeks full time for another, it seems that you should still be able to count your weekends.
Moving on, another criterion for working days to be counted is pay rate. You must be paid award wage (i.e. proper minimum wage for the role), or more, in order for the days to count. I’m sure you’ve all heard the story about the girl who worked for four months and didn’t get her second year approved because she was getting paid too little.
Award wage differs for different industries, but you can check up on the appropriate wage using this link to the Fair Work Ombudsman. For most farm work, the basic award rate is now $18.29 per hour, which works out as a minimum wage of $695.02 per week (assuming that 38 hours are worked).
But to add to the confusion, the rules are slightly different if you are working a piece rate job. Piece rate means that you are paid depending on how much you pick, or equivalent (e.g. how many trees you plant, how many metres of vine you prune etc.)
Most backpackers will end up on a piece rate job at one time or another, so listen up.
First of all, if you are going to be working based on a piece rate, you are supposed to get this agreement in writing, before you start the job. This is so it can be used as evidence, should it be required, of you completing the appropriate work for the visa.
Secondly, the rate of pay, according to the government rules, should be such that an ‘average competent worker’ would be able to earn 15% above the minimum award hourly rate. For most farm work (as of July 2017, according to the Horticulture Award) this would be $18.29 + 15% = $20.55 per hour.
Note: this wage is if you are working full or part time, rather than casual. Australian law dictates that casual workers get an additional loading of 25% because of the unpredictable nature of casual work. In this case, the hourly rate would be $22.13. However, employers may deliberately choose to classify you as full or part time for this very reason!
Now you’re probably all sat there in horror, thinking that every day of piece rate work you have done now somehow doesn’t count. For those of you who have never done a piece rate job: just so you know, the money is almost always shitty.
However, DON’T PANIC. The reality is that there isn’t a way to prove whether you are an ‘average competent worker’ or not. So, if you aren’t getting paid as much as this, you can just argue that you were a rubbish worker, and therefore your days do count. You could point out the fact that other people you worked with would have earned the correct minimum.
The Fair Work website has this to say about piece rate work, which is very reassuring:
Points to draw out:
“there are many factors that affect what an average competent employee is”
“A pieceworker isn’t guaranteed a minimum hourly or weekly rate that applies to the type of work they do, or the national minimum wage.”
Therefore, there is no specific minimum wage that you have to be paid in order for your days to count. However, you should still make every effort to earn as close to the national minimum wage as possible, so it is clear that your job is fair and legal.
Obviously it will still be more ideal if you can earn more, then you won’t have to try to justify it (and plus you will have more money), but this is a good fall-back!
I’m largely just speculating here, but I can’t see how any other conclusion can be drawn. Trust me, I have read and re-read the government website.
How to apply for your second year visa
Now, once you’ve sorted out how you’re getting your days done, you need to look ahead to the process of application.
All second years are processed online (yippee!), which makes things a hell of a lot easier. You just need to log in to the Department of Immigration website using your Immi account, and go from there.
It’s pretty straightforward. Fill in all of your personal information, answer the given questions, and put in the relevant dates and ABN numbers of the places you worked. Then hit apply and keep your fingers crossed!
Sometimes, the visa will be granted straight up. Like, within seconds of applying (they are very efficient when they want to be, the Australian government!).
However, often you will need to provide evidence that you have met the requirements. The government website lists the following as documents that may need to be provided:
- pay slips or evidence of payment
- copy of piece rate agreement
- group certificates
- payment summaries
- tax returns
- employer references
- a completed employment verification form – this is form 1263 for visa 417, and 1464 for visa 462
- copy of your Australian bank statement for the declared period of work
They do not always require all of these documents (thank goodness), but you might be unlucky. With this in mind, you might as well try to collate this evidence in advance of applying, especially if you’re going to apply a lot later on. It’s a lot easier to get employers to sign forms and provide references while you are still in the area, rather than off on holiday in Bali, for example.
When applying for your second year, you can either apply while you are still in Australia, or from elsewhere in the world. There are a couple of things to be aware of when making this decision.
First, whichever option you choose is where you have to be when the visa is granted. So if you apply in Australia, you have to be in Australia when it’s granted. If you apply outside of Australia, you have to stay out until it is granted. This doesn’t necessarily mean that if you apply while you’re here, you can’t leave – it just means that it won’t be granted while you are out of the country.
Secondly, if you apply whilst you are still in Australia, your second year will automatically follow directly on from your first. On the other hand, if you apply from elsewhere, the visa will begin whenever you re-enter the country (which has to be within a year from when it is granted). This is worth noting!
And as a note of reassurance, if you want to apply from within Australia, don’t panic – you won’t get kicked out even if you’re at the end of your first year! You will automatically get put onto a bridging visa, while they process and make a decision on your application.
OKAY AND WE ARE DONE THANK THE LORD.
If you read all the way through this then thank you and congratulations. If not, well, I totally get it.
But that’s it! Everything you need to know about getting your second working holiday visa. Hopefully this has ironed out any issues and clarified any confusion. I have done my very best, at least.
Got questions? Hit me up in the comments below! (I have read over the terms and conditions so many times now, I probably have the answer even if it’s not explained clearly here).
I’ve had so many responses, comments and questions on this post that I thought I’d put together a little bonus section, hopefully to address these. You can also read the comments below to see how I’ve responded to specific individuals – that might help too.
Q: I am English/from a country on the 417 visa. Can I do bar work to earn my second year visa?
A: Nope, sorry. Bar work – or more broadly, hospitality – is only eligible to count for those on the 462 visa, such as Americans. You might hear of stories of people who have successfully worked in a country pub to get their second year, but either they were fudging the system (i.e. said they worked on a farm or other valid pursuit), or they are on a 462 visa.
Q: I am working on a farm with a piece rate, earning $[not much] per week. Can I still count all the days I work even though my pay is bad? Can I count my weekends?
A: In theory you should be able to count every day that you work towards your total. Then, if you work full time hours or equivalent, you can count your weekends. However, if you are not getting paid enough in your piece rate job, a) you should probably find another job if you can and b) it’s not going to be very convincing that you worked enough hours when your paycheck is so small.
As I mention above, piece rate should be such that the ‘average competent worker’ is able to earn minimum wage + 15%. If you’re not being paid that – or at least somewhere near that – then you can report them to Fair Work, or move on elsewhere.
Q: Does it matter when I apply for my second year? Can I do my days early on and then apply at the end? Can I do my days and then leave the country and apply in a few years?
A: As long as you’ve done the thing properly, it shouldn’t matter when you apply for your second year – as long as it’s before you turn 31! If you apply for the second year when you are still in Australia it will automatically run on from the first, when it gets granted, so it won’t really matter when in the year you apply.
One thing to bear in mind, though, is that it might be harder to provide the right evidence if you’ve already left the country or did your farm work a while ago. To this end, I’d recommend scanning in all the relevant documents so you have them saved somewhere online, and can find them and send them in easily whenever you do want to apply.
Q: If my visa is rejected, do I get my money back?
A: Unfortunately not. All the more reason to make sure your 88 days are legit and that you’ve provided ample evidence – so they’d have no reason to reject you! You can, however, appeal the decision.
Q: I did my farm work before 1 December 2015, when voluntary work counted towards your total. Can I still apply?
A: As far as the immigration website suggests, yes you can! As voluntary work was valid back then, as long as you have all of the usual proof then I don’t see why you shouldn’t be able to get your second year – provided you are under 31, of course.
TL;DR: wherever possible it is almost always best to work more days than are absolutely necessary in order to ENSURE that you will get your visa. A lot of the information and instruction out there – including on the Australia government website – is very open to interpretation, and ultimately you have to defer to whatever the immigration officials decide on your visa. So, it’s in your interest to stick to the rules as closely as possible!
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